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Post by Alameth of the Iron Fist on Nov 13, 2005 14:40:27 GMT -5
In all honesty, I didn't really like it all that much. I mean, the CG was great, I love the lightsaber battles, Yoda rocks my socks off, and it does tie up a lot of loose ends, but it just struck me as really lame. And as for the characters/acting...SHOOT THEM ALL!!!
[EDIT: gotta love my typing skills...]
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Post by steel_lily on Nov 13, 2005 17:58:24 GMT -5
What you gotta remember is that Episodes one and two stunk. The actors did a decent job with it, though it was all a touch overdone. I thought it tied the two story threads in nicely, though.
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Post by Kirke on Nov 15, 2005 12:29:38 GMT -5
The choreography was amazing. The weightless lightsaber blade is finally realized and used accordingly, and did you notice the kneel and slide tactics of Palpatine? Those are rare but well-used sword techniques and really showed off some sweet fighting skills. Yoda was good, yes, except for his dogma. PALPATINE IS A CONSERVATIVE! Go Sith! Deal in those absolutes!
I ABSOLUTELY do NOT like barbecue!
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Post by steel_lily on Nov 16, 2005 16:58:15 GMT -5
Yes, that fascinated me. That was the one facet of Jedi philosophy that I simply could not agree with. Some things are absolute. Period. Absolutely.
Yes, the kneel and slide tactics showed a great deal of mastery, though they were somewhat daring. But what is swordsmanship without a little daring? I did note that the general swordsmanship got better in this movie and that physics were finally realized. And common sense. (Yes, when you do backflips over someone's head, they're bound to chop off a limb or two. That's the way things work.)
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Post by st1_Emrys on Nov 17, 2005 15:56:04 GMT -5
eh the only parts that really stood out to me were the space sequences at the beginning (the best in episodes I-III althogh it didn't compare to the ones in episodes IV-VI) and the lightsaber battles. I guess it tied off some loose ends, but it wasn't a very good knot... the whole Anakin doing the right thing and then turning around and messing it up for no reason was wierd to me. Like once he went to Windu he would have no real motivation to go back and not do the right thing. It was just kinda wierd. Other than that it was fairly average. not the "great" movie it was supposed to be.
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Post by Kirke on Nov 18, 2005 9:28:11 GMT -5
Yes! And only Sith deal in absolutes?!?!?!? What's up with that? Jedi deal in absolutes all the time! "Then you will have gained my trust"...trust is an absolute. Either you trust someone or you don't. Le gasp! Mace Windu is a Sith! (At least according to Obi-Wan)
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Post by steel_lily on Nov 18, 2005 13:01:55 GMT -5
That, and the very core of their being and code is based on absolutism. You are either absolutely Jedi, or absolutely Sith. There is no shade area for the undecided. It was the one line that brought it all down.
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Post by st1_Emrys on Nov 19, 2005 10:58:06 GMT -5
what are you referring to in the absolutes thing... I haven't seen the movie since it came out so yeah, what specifically are you talking about?
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Post by Alameth of the Iron Fist on Nov 19, 2005 11:04:22 GMT -5
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
Obi-wan's response to Anakin's "Either you're with me...or you're my enemy!"
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Post by st1_Emrys on Nov 20, 2005 20:19:08 GMT -5
ah. ok now i remember. I do agree that the connotation is bad if used as an all encompassing phrase (which unfortunately it was used as). I think if he was saying that only sith don't respect neutrality or some such thing then it wouldn't be so bad. I don't think it was really intentionally meant that there are no absolutes blah blah blah. For example the Jedi would hold that the dark side/the sith are ALWAYS evil. That is an absolute. So while if applied to life in general it is a bad belief, it wasn't intended like that. It meant that for example, the US and France are not allies, but they aren't enemies either, they are neutral.
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Post by Kirke on Nov 21, 2005 10:43:28 GMT -5
-taps Emrys on the shoulder- Uh, my brother...France is our enemy. Nobody likes France.
One of my buddies went to France and accidentally left a plastic knife from his in-flight meal in his coat pocket, when French security found it, it wasn't two hours but the government had declared an unconditional surrender to him.
In summation: The French are ABSOLUTELY our enemy. -zaps a local Frenchman with Force Lightning-
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Post by steel_lily on Nov 21, 2005 12:48:51 GMT -5
The French are maen and annoying. That qualifies as enmity.
Emrys has a point, though it was put somewhat strangely. The context of that line would not denote abovery *friendly* persone disbelief or shunning of absolutes (that would be rediculous). It more noted that not all things are black and white, and the only group immature and manipulative enough to see things that way were the Sith. That's all. Still, a very dangerous line.
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Post by st1_Emrys on Nov 21, 2005 17:46:31 GMT -5
I would I intentionally used a country with which we are not clearly allied, that does not share our goals or ideas but with which we are having a "peaceful coexistance." We are not at war. We are not enemies, we are NEUTRAL, neutrality is the point which I was making therefore it was a good analogy.
I don't care WHO doesn't like France, they are not and should not be our enemies. I know people from France, they aren't what everyone says. I think that unless you have homeschool foreign exchange students you should refrain from insulting and disdaining the people of a country who deserve our respect.
<whips out light saber and blocks force lighting from the frenchman>
"The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred."
~Martin Luther King Jr. "I Have a Dream"
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Post by steel_lily on Nov 22, 2005 5:49:34 GMT -5
A good point. However, we are taking the French nation as a whole, not on an individual basis. I know pleasant French people as well, and have no intention of going to war with them. Nor do I want to wipe them off the face of the planet. They make excellent culinary contributions to society, and some of their fashion contributions aren't too bad. The point is, they have a persistant and annoying tendency to be ungrateful. And elitist.
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Post by Kirke on Nov 22, 2005 10:06:11 GMT -5
Wow. So they cook and they wear fancy clothes. The Chinese recreated the entire ideal of hand to hand combat, have exquisite cuisine, and developed useful methods of self-healing. The Japanese develop incredible technologies. The Taiwanese are a good buffer against the modern Chinese government. The Okinawans developed the kobudo weaponry...
The French surrender. I'm not saying all Frenchmen are weak snobs. I just have yet to meet one that isn't. And any Frenchman willing to support his country's history is simply immoral. France has historically been the breeding grounds for new types of evil (their people allowed the publishing of "120 Days of Sodom" before any other country...and believe me that name is fully used in every immoral way, and mocks God)
So I guess a noble Frenchman would be one that denies his ancestors, his creeds, and his people, and his heritage.
Even Germans are good engineers. France just has nothing, my friend. I've never heard (and yes I've looked) of one good industry out of France. Instead what I did learn was that the little nuclear technology they do possess got sold to Iraq, and then they stalled the UN so nobody would find out it was French, effectively allowing Saddam time to enrich uranium! But a small nation that I do respect very much decided that they were going to be a whole lot smarter than anyone else, and blew the French reactor away. When the French stop aiding and abetting terrorists to get substances that can be made into radioactive weapons, and stop forcing little countries like Israel to clean up after their messes, I might consider them neutral instead of a bumbling threat to my family's safety.
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Post by steel_lily on Nov 22, 2005 12:50:33 GMT -5
Again, good point. I consider the Frech, and their history, a black mark on the development of society. Simply put, they are far too interested in the quick, the easy, and the self-benifiting. Nothing is noble or good about that. If it weren't for these three base goals, I have no doubt that France would be in better standing with the rest of the world. As it is, they are indebted to the US and Allies, for pulling their butts out of several wars which would have wiped them out. That doesn't really help their case at all.
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Post by Kirke on Nov 23, 2005 11:54:46 GMT -5
So, Emrys, I don't like having my Force Lightning blocked. I don't like it when much of anything gets in my way, actually...shall I see you in the battle forums?
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Post by st1_Emrys on Nov 23, 2005 11:58:09 GMT -5
While your points are in themselves valid, you forget the country we live in. A country that is morally decrepit. Before you pass judgement on the country of France as a whole look at our country. Are we grateful to France for our very existance as a nation? Anyways, the point is that the analogy works, and it is quite intentionally a country such as france (everyone else is either "allied with the US"-which means they have 2 people in afghanistan- or they are our enemy) France just happened to conveniently be neutral. So ANYways... carry on with ep. III discussion.
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Post by Middle Earth Mouse on May 24, 2007 20:14:11 GMT -5
lets just face the facts, III was better than the others, but still not goodenough to get ****, just *** (take those any way you want, editing or rating stars)
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