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Post by beefmonger on Sept 24, 2006 14:48:29 GMT -5
I've been wondering what the deal is with language. Every says "bad words" shouldn't be spoken, but for what reason? What even makes a word "bad"? Do you think it has anything to do with religion or is it just another crazy thing thought up by people with the same basic reasoning that we can't comfortabley educate children about sex?
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Post by st1_Emrys on Sept 24, 2006 18:19:14 GMT -5
Well, beef-san, some words have more specific reasons, some are more general.
The word damn means to condemn to hell. God is the only person who has the right and the power to condemn anyone or anything to hell. Therefore to say damn is to put yourself in God's place in word- I imagine that God doesn't like that...
The words s**t, f***, etc. are what we call vulgarities. They are crass terms for things. In polite culture vulgarities are not used. the F-word is particularly vulger especially since it refers to such a personal/private thing in a rude and crude way. Vulgarities in our culture are taboo, particularly to the young audience (although it is growing less so). That is why if you look up those words in the dictionary it doesn't say "this is a cuss word" it says "vulgar."
I think that addresses most curse words. I can't think of any other words that have specific reasons like damn does.
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Post by Kirke on Sept 24, 2006 19:57:00 GMT -5
Damn, hell, the term "God", the term "Jesus", the term "Christ", the term "Bible". All misused.
Any expletive comes from a history of swearing. The first expletives were oaths; any expletive used today is an oath as well:
Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
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Post by Alameth of the Iron Fist on Sept 25, 2006 8:22:53 GMT -5
Addressing the latter part of that statement... It is a sad culture indeed when we "have" to teach children about such things. Six-year-olds do not need to know such things! Fourteen-year-olds do not need to know! I wish I hadn't known! OPERATE ON A NEED-TO-KNOW BASIS, PEOPLE!
<ahem> Yes. Sorry to shout, but it makes me angry.
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Post by Kirke on Sept 25, 2006 9:40:49 GMT -5
The lady has a good point. I was so unexposed to the world that I learned of it through medical studies in a very proper format at an age that is very proper for a man to learn of such things. I think that's probably one of the main reasons Cecily knows she's the only girl to ever experience anything like romantic intimacy with me...-winks-...imagine how strong that will make our future together!
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Post by beefmonger on Sept 25, 2006 15:41:19 GMT -5
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. James 5: 12, right? Anyways, when the meaning of the word has been changed for a particular instance of use (damn can mean damning to hell sometimes and sometimes just an expression of anger or used only from habbit), it is changed, period. Most of the time it's only an expression of anger. This is our language that we've created and we can use words to mean whatever we want them to mean. It's not like using YHVH as an expression of anger, because He created that for His name, but he did not create the word damn (to the best of knowledge) to be used always and only for condemning to Hell. If it is used in that sense, then yes, the person is sinning by trying to make himself the Most High, but damn has no more power than "shoot" when we use it to express anger. It's basically discrimination against words just because we feel like it. We give our words their power, and no one else. I would assume the reason they are considered "wrong" in today's society is the same reason for us still using the letter "c". There's no reason for the letter "c" today, but there probably was when it was created, and I believe when damn was made a "bad word," people used it only in the sense of trying to put themselves over God. s**t and f*** still kinda confuse me, but I would think that if you dig deep enough into their histories, you'd find the same happenings. About the sex thing, I guess you're right. But that just means I gave a bad example, so it really doesn't have much to do with anything. If someone wanted to make a new thread about, that'd be cool, but I doubt we'll hear anything new from it.
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Post by Alameth of the Iron Fist on Sept 26, 2006 8:47:15 GMT -5
I believe the giver of definitions was talking in pure definitions. What the word originally meant. Not its skewed current definition.
We give words power because their original use was one of power. Words mean things. They're not just letters strung together. On the use of "damn"... what of the frequent "g**d**n"? Where do you categorize that? As an expression of anger? How many times have you heard someone utter "Jesus" as an expression of frustration? And how many times have you heard "damn" used as a derogatory adjective or insult?
Misuses. Deplorable misuses.
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Post by Kirke on Sept 26, 2006 10:47:00 GMT -5
Beefmonger, let me put it to you with crystal clarity: Every single expletive ever used by any person that I have ever heard as been an oath. The Bible forbids the swearing of oaths.
Find me an example where Jesus Christ used that kind of language, Beefmonger. Just one.
By the way, I've managed to live outside my mother's womb for almost nineteen years; and not once have I had a need for any expletive of any sort. In every case, real words were better than immature fakeries crafted by the vulgar to express anger best supressed and poured into righteous effort.
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Post by beefmonger on Sept 26, 2006 17:56:54 GMT -5
Well, tell me where it's been forbidden. I don't seem to remember anything or anyone giving me references to biblical verses telling me that "cussing" was wrong. If you can explain to me how using "bad words" is the same as swearing an oath or at least tell me where you heard that, then I'll belive that it's wrong, but I honestly don't understand.
@alameth, g**d**n is using God's name in vain. The first part is of significance, but I don't think the last half is really so important.
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Post by steel_lily on Sept 26, 2006 18:25:36 GMT -5
<long sigh> Time to jump in.
I am human, I will inform you right up front. I swear, particularly during soccer season. I bear no excuse for my language, and I recognize it as innane. Damn is a word. Just a word. An oath implies some responsibility on the bearer...an oath is a contract. I find vulgar language completely unnecessary in conversation. When I do utter an expletive, it is not to persuade, not to emphasize, but a curse to (generally at) myself. Again, not an excuse. I believe we have watered these words down, and no longer comprehend their full meaning. Except perhaps damn...
Fascinating...when I use damn in it's proper meaning, it is not presuming that I would damn whatever it is to hell. Instead it is almost a prayer. "God, please damn time to hell and eternal flame. Thanks!" Only slightly more angry.
No excuses. I'm just clarifying.
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Post by Kirke on Sept 26, 2006 22:26:16 GMT -5
The Law (the forbidding of things) is for the damned, Beefmonger. Those who are regenerate will look for the right because they want to do the best things, not for loopholes to do things not forbidden. If cursing and swearing is seasoning your speech with grace (that is, if it is genteel, polite, kind, loving, good, merciful, faithful, just, pure, righteous, holy, admirable, etc.), then by all means, do so. Just not on this board.
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Post by beefmonger on Sept 27, 2006 0:32:01 GMT -5
Heh, well, I try not to do it in front of people who are bothered by it, but I don't really believe God has a problem with it, so when I'm alone or arou...I just got this feeling that I'm completely wrong...alright, from now on I'll try to water it down to "crap." Well, I'll probably only use real profanities to make a point or when it's used for righteousness, like the guy I quoted in the MySpace thread. I guess beliefs don't really sound as wrong as they truly are until you hear yourself proclaiming them...
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